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Posted by: Marie Location: machesney park
Jesse and that Pastor are both dumm and for a Pastor a Man of God he should be in his church and pray for piece and not stirr the Pot like he does, if I would belong to his church I sure would find me a other one and make sure most of the people come whit me, because a Pastor makes sur to keep his sheeps in pease and harmonie and happy and not be a loutmoul like he is and throw his arms up and screams like an Idiot Pastor go back to your church and start praying and make shure you get Gods vergiefnes because you need it and when you ad it make sure pray for Jesse to Posted by: C.J. Location: Rockforford, IL. This incident is absolutely rediculous! Why did Barmore run into a daycare putting little ones at risk? If Barmore had direction and discipline in his life as he was growing up, then perhaps he would not have been in a situation that he brought on himself. Does anyone come yell racism when a non-white person guns down a white person, police officer or not? Where is (Rev)Jesse Jackson then? Reverend? What a disgrace he brings to that title! Whatever you do, if your child is missing, or you are being assulted or beaten, be sure you don't call a cop, take care of it yourself, unless if your black and YOUR SURE a black cop shows up just for you! How about realizing, that those officers were doing there job and they were protecting the innocent ones. All of this could've been avoided..IF Barmore would've surrendered before even running into the daycare. I am also very ashamed and disgusted in Cheif Epperson and Mayor Morrisey who should be speaking up for our officers, where are you? Posted by: Shannon D. Location: Rockford I have read some of the comments posted on here and I really cant believe how ignorant some of you people are. Were any of you there? Were any of you the ones that had to make a choice? Personally we will never know the truth of that day but hopefully learn from it. We can point fingers all we want but unless you were there or unless you had to make the choice your comments are just opinions not facts so remember that and let the courts figure out this mess because really what is done is done and you cant change any of it. I know everyone wants to make this a racist issue but is it really? Or was it more of a typical criminal issue? I mean really white or black the idiot had to know there was children in there before he entered the building and the cops did what they had to do. I think if the cops didnt shoot him and the guy for sure had a gun we would have a whole other issue growing dont you think? So my opinion is this let justice be served where it needs to be end of story! Posted by: rodney To all those that believe Officer Oda Poole is Racist Please TRY and answer this.......How Racist was Oda Poole when he ran into a burning apartment at the Fairgrounds Valley Housing Project and rescued the people trapped inside? Reading into the article, Oda Poole put him in a situation where if it wasn't for Rockford Fire saving him, he could have been killed saving these children. Oda was awarded the Law Enforcement Medal of Honor for his actions. This medal has only been handed out to 34 officers statewide as of 2007. Where is the Racism in his actions here? Anyone ever question that? How many people forgot about this because its not news to them. This is news to me ..GREAT news... no Racism attached. Let me suggest you rent the movie 'Crash.' Running into a burning building doesn't exempt anyone from having hateful mindsets. Matt Dillon's character proved this. He killed Barmore in front of CHILDREN. Obviously, they weren't too concerned about stray bullets. Posted by: Rodney Location: Rockford It's rather scary that armed officers can run into a daycare center with children present, and gun down someone who was wanted for questioning. If they were concerned about this at all, at the least they could have tried to make sure the children and anyone present were not in harm's way. Going after someone who is armed and dangerous is one thing, but when that danger has the potential to extend to innocent bystanders, then the Rockford police needs to be sure that some form of protocol is set up to ensure the safety of others. Posted by: bob Location: rockford 4 kids kill an innocent kid in Chicago.Where is Jesse???? He's not involved because there is no race issue to be stirred up!! Posted by: Linda Location: rockford I have read a lot of the blogs written from pepole in the community it saddens me that pepole are making this into a race issue wake up pepole this about right or wrong dont matter what color the person is and the things that is happening to his family is ludicrise his family has nothing to do what happen in this sadden incident we as a communitty should be embracing her for the loss of a child it was wrong to show his rap sheet on the internet we all fall short from our glory it is not our job to judge anyone sure we have ignorant pepole in our community but the bible says pray for the ignorant ive always been proud to live in rockford all my live just to know pepole can be hated by the color of our skin when do we start standing up for change instead of hate and let the justice department do their job and pray that justice is pervailed my prayers go out to the family of this young man and i also pray for peace in this community Posted by: Cindy Location: Rockford It hurt my heart to see the racism among a small minority of self riteous, judgemental closed minded people. It is ugly and frightening to think that some have so much hate. I do not pretend to know what Officer Poole had in his heart when he shot and killed that young man; but it does seem that he does have a itchy trigger finger. After all think about it. Barmore was wanted on a domestic disturbance matter. It is a terrible reason to die. Posted by: ANONYMOUS Location: ROCKFORD IL. IT'S NOT ABOUT RACISM THESE POLICE OFFICERS ARE LOSING THERE MINDS I MEAN IT'S ONE THING TO KILL AN INNOCENT MAN BUT IT'S ANOTHER THING TO PULL A GUN OUT IN FRONT OF A BUNCH OF FOUR YEAR OLD KIDS AND YEAH PEOPLE SHOULD BE ACCOUNTABLE FOR THERE ACTIONS JUST LIKE THE POLICE OFFICER SHOULD BE HELD RESPONSIBLE FOR HIS TO,WHY WOULD HE SHOOT HIM DOWN IN A SANCTUARY,ALT OF THE COMMENTS ON THIS BLOG IS RACIST SO WHY TAKE OFF THE GOOD COMMENTS AND LEAVE THE BADD ONES. Posted by: tisha smith Location: chicago il. YES,I THINK OFFICER ODA POOLE IS RACIST BECAUSE OF THE FACT IF HE WASN'T RACIST WHY IS THE K.K.K'S COMING TO ROCKFORD TO MARCH WITH THE POLICE NEXT SATURDAY ON OCTOBER 3,2009 AND I BELIEVE THE ONLY REASON HE SAVED THOSE KIDS OUT THAT FIRE WAS BECAUSE HE WANTED TO MAKE A NAME FOR HIM SELF AND HE KILLED THAT BOY IN COLD BLOOD WHAT POLICE OFFICER YOU KNOW WOULD SHOOT A MAN 5TIMES WITHOUT A WEAPON OR A HESITATION TO STRUGGLE WITH THE GUN AND ON TOP OF IT ALL THEY STOOD OVER HIM AND SHOT HIM IN HIS BACK ND YEA I BELIEVE HE'S INVOLVED WITH THE KLU KLUX KLAN BECAUSE WHY ELSE WOULD THEY BE MARCHING WITH THE POLICE.AND ALSO I FEEL HE'S A MENACE TO OUR SOCIETY AND HE SHOULD BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR HIS ACTIONS,AND THEY EXSPECT US TO TRUST THE POLICE WHEN ALL THEY DO IS SHOOT AND KILL INNOCENT PEOPLE. Posted by: College student Location: rockford Alot of people are on here saying rude comments about someones family member.If you dont know the facts you should keep your comments to yourself. And just a quick question to all those saying bull**** about the black community. Why is that a white male can drive up a one way start a car accident send someone to the hospital, try to run away, not have a drivers lisence and not go to jail. Is it because he was white?? or maybe the cops were just being nice?? or maybe because the victoms were black females?? I dont know but **** like this is not right. Posted by: B Location: Rockford To all those that believe Officer Oda Poole is Racist Please TRY and answer this.......How Racist was Oda Poole when he ran into a burning apartment at the Fairgrounds Valley Housing Project and rescued the people trapped inside? Reading into the article, Oda Poole put him in a situation where if it wasn't for Rockford Fire saving him, he could have been killed saving these children. Oda was awarded the Law Enforcement Medal of Honor for his actions. This medal has only been handed out to 34 officers statewide as of 2007. Where is the Racism in his actions here? Anyone ever question that? How many people forgot about this because its not news to them. This is news to me ..GREAT news... no Racism attached. http://www.rrstar.com/news/publicsafety/x772320346/Officers-earn-medal-for-brave-acts Posted by: B Location: Rockford I can't believe how this has turned into such a extreme matter. I feel that instead of blaming the "white officers" for shooting a "black" man, everyone should get to the real root of the problem. Yes, I totally agree that racism is very alive ...from both races. But this situation is about right and wrong, not black and white.I am white and live on the west side. All summer kids walk up and down the streets until 3 in the morning. They fight, yell, curse, litter, and disrespect the people that care about our neighborhoods. The police get called but they can't do much becaust they are minors and they usually scatter and run. My question is where are their parents? Why haven't they taught their children respect. Don't they care that their child is out all night long? We as parents are the main influence on our children. Posted by: Daniel Location: Rockford This isn't turning into a race thing. I lived on the west side for many years. Served in the US Army for 4 years and treated every neighbor with respect and my closest neighbors treated me back with just as much. I served 4 years in the US Army. I lent a hand to anyone. Yet, We were the only whites on the block. We were also the only ones to have people park on our lawn with their high beams facing inside our windows at 2 am, 4 am in the morning. We were also the only ones where people would through rocks through our windows almost hitting my year old and wife. Or had others throw their garbage into our yards when they drove by. But yeah. Rob is right. Everyone needs to man up and take responsibility for their own actions. I mean EVERYONE. Posted by: Rob Jesse Jackson is garbage. GO HOME! When is the black community going to stop seeking out a leader and realize that they need to man up and take responsibility for their own actions? Posted by: floyd Location: 815 Rev Jackson is nothing but a publicity hound and a racist.I can't believe all the coverage this guy is getting.You would think he was important or something. Shouldn't he have been at OPRAH?? Posted by: Doug Location: Northern IL Why was he RUNNING into a daycare center if he had done nothing wrong? Posted by: Anonymous Location: Rockford Why is it that Jesse Jackson was able to view the body of Barmore and then tell the public what he saw. Our Police Chief was chastised for making his comments to the public. Jesse Jackson is known to stir things up and cause more racial tension. I believe this is a reversed racist act. Posted by: Anonymous Location: rockford this is not about what the rpd did wrong its about race if it were to black cops that shoot Barmore this wouldn't even be a issue Posted by: M Location: belvidere This should be about right and wrong- not black and white. Barmore apparently was under suspicion for some sort of domestic battery. He has prior convictions for violent crimes including using weapons. The info the police had at the time was he might be armed. He runs away from them and INTO a daycare. Let's see- if he hadn't been followed- he may have been putting chldren at risk. The eye witnesses told RRstar that he was shot 8-9 times including in the head. That he walked out of a closet with his hands up and the police just shot him. Jesse Jackson tells rrstar he had 3 wounds in the back- none to the head. How did that happen if he walked towards the police with his hands up? How did he get shot in the back? The fact that Barmore is black and police are white is smoke and mirrors. He was a chronic offender of the law- he belonged in jail. He ran and resisted arrest (as he has a history of doing). Right and wrong. Posted by: Ms.CynthiaWatson Location: Rockford In response to "T", maybe you can find a news archive of Chief Epperson speaking immediately after the incident. It came directly out of Epperson's mouth that Mr. Barmore WAS UNARMED and REACHED for the officer's weapon-NEVER ACTUALLY GETTING IT IN HIS POSSESSION. Please search out the archive, watch it and maybe your next post will contain something remotely intelligent. My nephew lost his life unnecessarily. Posted by: Rosemary Location: Rockford Oda Pool is a executioner with a badge and a gun. He needs to go to prison for murder & the other cop is just as bad. Both are rogue cops who are not fit to be on the police force. I wonder how many more are the brothers under cover? Posted by: Dont Trip Location: 815 There was no struggle between Barmore and the officer for a gun. The police should have shot him in the legs or below the waist. They know what they were aiming towards. Barmore went to his church because that is where he felt safe at. Any black man will run from police because they are scared of what they are capable of. In this case he was scared for his life... for a good reason. Posted by: Anonymous Location: Rockford I am tired of the whole east -vs- west side. So many times we get "if i lived on the east side you would send me an officer faster" geeeez ignorance, demographics have nothing to do w/getting assistance. Posted by: T.W Location: East side, West side, North side, South Side This Blog needs to be taken down. All people are innocent until proven guilty. Posted by: parents Location: rockford DR. RUNDALL AT JEFFERSON HIGH SCHOOL TOLD THE KIDS AT THE LAST MINUTE, THEY WERE NOT ALLOW TO COME HEAR THE SPEECH OF REV JESSE JACKSON. I CHILD COME HOME EVERY UPSET AND CRIED ON THE PHONE TO HER FRIEND WHO WAS ALSO UPSET. I FEEL THAT WASNT RIGHT FOR THEM TO BE BOOST FROM THE SPEECH WHEN IT WAS FOR JUNOIRS AND ALL THE KIDS HAVE ENOUGH UNDERSTANDING TO DO WHAT REV JACKSON WAS TALKING ABOUT Posted by: T Location: Rockford Good show, so called 'T(The Real One)' You can't dispute the facts so you turn to personal attacks. Your liberal handlers would be so proud of you. Run along now, there's probably a healthcare meeting for you to go try and disrupt real Americans from asking questions. Posted by: bob Location: rockford I am tired of east side vs west side.I live on the east side and drive 65 mile each way to work so I can live on the east side. Quit complaining about living on the west side.Get in your hooptie with the 24" rims and get a JOB!! Posted by: Sherry Location: Loves Park Why is a cowardly namejacker allowed to post on this blog? Not to worry, T (the real one, not the namejacker) we know who you are and are not fooled by the idiot flamer and troll. Posted by: Terrence McCallister (aka T) Location: Rockford The last post by the "T(The Real One)" just shows his/her ignorance. He/she obviously is more afraid because they attempted to use a posted by that already posted. They want their warped view of society, where every white is a racist and every time a polce officer shots someone (if the shoot-ee is black) it's racially motivated. Nice try, no dice. And I especially like how we now have Jesse leading the greiving masses in a funeral for this criminal. What about the Rockford residents who have died in Iraq and Afghanistan? Haven't seen ol J-Dog at their funerals? Course not, not nearly enough publicity. No, 'Real T', the one who last posted, you are the punk with no life, blaming others instead of taking responsibility. Playing the race card any chance you get. You are not great and powerful, your opportunistic, weak, and pathetic. You put your personal goals ahead of 'racial peace'. You feel you're entitled to things instead of having to work for them. You are sad. Posted by: VA Location: Freeport If anyone wonders how about the racism in Rockford, all they need to do is read the blog. I wonder how many of you have sheets in your closets. Posted by: T (The Real One) Location: Rockford I am the man with all the facts and all the answers... Am the great and all powerful T! I know he had a weapon and I know that every "non-white" person is being racist about this situation. Oh and I have an answer to everyone's comments! I am the great and powerful "T"! I would never say these comments if I weren't hiding behind a computer screen! I am the great and powerful "T". Don't say anything that opposes me because I am the great and powerful "T" and you will be wrong. You know why I'm right because someone made me God of the Greater Rockford Area and Beyond! But remember I will never show my face because I'm really a punk with a computer and no life. I hide behind one sided opinions and a computer and I have all the police facts. I am the Great and Powerful "The Real T"...... Posted by: AC Blu Location: Loves Park I think we need to take it easy on Rev. Jackson. He, like everyone else, is suffering during these economic times. It's hard to extort businesses under the guise of racial discrimination these days with the economy the way it is. That plus the fact that Obama has taken his place as most prominent person of color, it's tough for the guy. His name just doesn't carry as much weight these days, he's not as important as he thinks he is. Posted by: K Location: Rockford Message for Jesse Jackson: You are needed in Georgia. A pastor was shot during an undercover drug sting. It's on CNN.com. Police & witnesses have conflicting stories. Oh wait, it was a white pastor. Nevermind. Posted by: T (The Real One) Location: Rockford Wrong Fake T. He WAS armed, with a knife and then he fought the officer for his weapon, firing it in the process. Barmore took his live in his own hands when he decided to try to take the officer's gun. Tragic is when you lose your life accidentally or not by your fault. Stupid is when you lose your life trying to do something like, oh, I don't know, maybe taking a police officer's gun! And before all you start - If you're gonna tell me they don't know if he had a weapon, where's the proof, don't you dare tell me he was unarmed, because you don't have any proof either. Simple question - if he was as innocent as you claim, why did he run, why did he hide? Posted by: T Location: Rockford I see that we have some ignorant and racial people in this city! It don't matter if Barmore was black or white, the fact is that a man lost his life what about that! It don't matter what his crime was he was unarmed. Posted by: T Location: Rockford In response to D - You are correct. Little known fact about Jesse. Besides sticking his nose in matters he really shouldn't (and making them worse), two of his biggest favs are a good mosh pit and the music of CDB. So if you see a cowboy hat tricked out with bling, you know who's there. Too bad Metallica wasn't in town, then he'd really be happy. Posted by: T Location: Rockford Nicole - Supposing you do still read this, tell me, just how is the phrase " trigger happy cop on our hands. 5 years on the force with 3-4 people shot and a few dead?" un-biased and non-judgemental? I doubt you have all the facts on the 'few dead', but I'd imagine that the trigger happy cop was in fact trigger happy because he was in a position where he had to protect himself (or others) and his life was in danger. You immediately bring up 'trigger happy cop', yet you fail to mention if those in the '3-4 people shot' group were just as trigger happy. I believe one of those people were trying to run him over with a car. You're right, I guess it would have been better to be thrown from the car, maybe run over. No, you may not have technically said 'racist', but your comments all but said it. Your comments show that the only version of the truth you will be satisfied with is the one you want, which more than likely is not what really happened. Posted by: D Location: Rockford I suppose someone should've asked this criminal why HE decided to hide from police in a location with young children in it. See , bad choices are just followed by more bad choices. Seems to me the cops are trigger happy racists except when they're protecting you. Pity Pity , Jesse the race fly is trying to land on the pile he sniffed out in Rockford. Anyone who uses their religion to hide behind to make a fortune insulting others in the name of color is a most certainly my hero. Maybe he can stay for OTW and take the Miller Stage with Charlie Daniels, wouldn't that be fun? Posted by: BB Location: Rockford I fail to understand why everything gets down to the color of someones skin. This young man was half white...His birth mother is white...we haven't heard about that! This young man appeared to be a threat to the police officers that were there. What would you do if YOU were in the same situtation? If your life was on the line? Do you really think that these officers contemplated the color of his skin? Or did their training automatically take over? Isn't this what we as citizens pay taxes fir, to keep us safe? Think about what could of happened to all those children if things had developed differently! Posted by: Monica Location: Rockford I do not understand why so many people are upset over a civil rights leader visiting Rockford. He was INVITED by members of this community. I personally do not believe the shooting was racial, but a man HAS lost his life. The lost of life is a civil rights issue and deserves a fair and honest hearing. We as a community owe at least that much to the man who lost his life, his family, the children who witnessed the incident, the officers involved, and ourselves. To anyone that believes that Rev. Jackson presence is only stirring up emotions, I can only say my emotions were stirred up when I heard of a man being shot to death in a church witnessed by children, not when I heard that Rev. Jackson was visiting Rockford. Posted by: Kevin Location: Rochelle A lot of people are saying this is not about race. Well, Jesse Jackson just made it about race. If this was a white man gunned down by black officers, we would have never heard from him, NAACP, & the rest of them. This is a bunch of crap. The guy should never have ran into that school. If he was SO innocent, why did he run? EVERYONE LISTEN!!!! If you're innocent just lay down! DUH! Posted by: Rob Drive through the west side of Rockford and tell me what you see.. now, start counting the number of different races on the west side of town.. I would put tall money on african americans winning that poll.. Since the majority of crime happens on that side of town, now you can see what the police are dealing with.. white black brown blue, who gives a crap. the police are here to take the scum off of the streets rather it be in handcuffs or bullets, who cares. thats their job and I applaud them for taking one more thug off of the streets. The punk was leading his life downhill..yes he had kids, feel sorry for them, but his "baby momma" and kids will prob live a better life now without him putting them in the gutter along with himself. you live a life of crime, expect death or prison. then know that but yet think its cool to be locked up since they sing songs about it.. and live the rap culture lifestyle.. and thats not just blacks there are white pieces of crap that do too. Posted by: Tom If bullets are what it takes to get violence to stop then let them fly. Its just one more punk off of the streets.. What they need to do is knock down the bridge in Rockford...keep the bad on one side of town then they dont have to search as hard for them.. they dont like water anyways.. Posted by: Nicole Location: Rockford Well "T" I never said the officer was racist.... you did. I'm looking at his record.... and Yeah I am waiting for the facts. I've rushed to no judgements. Everything you've stated is hear say. He hit a woman, not to say he didn't but I haven't seen an official report on that. He struggled with the cops? Not to say he didn't but I haven't seen a report on that. None of those things have come out as true. We don't know if the witnesses are telling the truth about his hands being up either. I'm waiting you're not... He had a knife? Were you there? I'm reading through all your comments and your saying many things as though they're facts. I never said the young man was wrong and the officers were right or vice versa. I commented on all your "non-white" comments and I'm waiting for the facts nothing more. This will be my last comments to you because I see you're ongoing rant is never ending. I wish all the best... let it rest. Just let it rest. Posted by: Sherry Location: Loves Park Some people are lacking logic but they are in good company with Jesse Jackson. According to JJ, Barmore was shot in the neck. Logic tells me its because 1) there was a struggle going on when the other officer first fired his gun or 2) the gun Barmore was trying to get his mitts on fired in the struggle. Police are not trained to bring a subject down by shooting him in te neck. It will be interesting to see what direction that bullet was going-from front to back or back to front. Logic also tells me that if these officers were evil they would have arrested Barmore and taken him someplace where no one could witness them executing him. Posted by: Ann Location: Rockford Wow!! I can't beleve the things some of the people on here are saying. I may be out of touch with a lot of things but regardless of the color of your skin you are HUMAN first and we all have made some kind of mistake. But to judge with out witness or evidence has blown my mind. Because The Last Judge (God), no matter what the out come will choose the Justice. In the world what is put out there allways comes back be it good or bad. I have nothing but prayer in my heart for all of the Rockford Family because it seems we need it now more than ever. Posted by: T Location: Rockford In response to Diane - For someone who's first sentence asks "What ever happened to innocent until proven guilty?", you may want to practice what you preach. Your thoughts of innocence especially come through with such phrases like, "...given their history of killing people". No, thankfully we don't have to follow your tactics for presumption of guilt or innocence. And you forgot to add one more thing as to what this person was. He was someone's abusive (now former) boyfriend. And it was apparently the trigger happy cops' fault that made him arm himself with a knife and then attempt to grab an officer's gun, firing one shot in the process. Glad a child didn't get hit, but then if one did you'd probably blame the cops for that as well. Be a cryin shame if people decided to take responsibility for once. Posted by: lc alot of ignored people live in this city!!! Posted by: Sherry Shame on the parents who refused to let their child listen to Jesse Jackson's speech at Jefferson! Its a message that all parents should be telling their children. Too bad Jesse Jackson should have to do what many parents should be doing all along. There would be no more Mark Barmore tragedies. So sad that he didn't get the message JJ brought to the kids today. Posted by: Ron Location: Rockford Can I ask a question to the community, Where was the community at when officer Rice was shot by a criminal years back? I didn't see the community go seek out Jesse Jackson or make a big uproar when it was a black on black crime. All anybody did was say that is so sad and we feel bad for the family when everybody should have been more passionate than last weeks incident. Officer Rice was not a criminal just a man going to work doing his job to support his family and for this he had to pay with his life. Criminal life results in one of two things jail or death and until these criminals understand that, things like this are going to happen but don't put the blame on people who are there to do thier jobs. Maybe the community should also start blaming the church for lack of security measures at the daycare which unfortunately is a part of our life nowadays since young people would rather be criminals other than a productive citizen in society. Posted by: cal Location: bedford There are two stories. Officers and the so called witnesses. There is a on going investigation so lets see what happens. Posted by: jason Location: Rockford To B.R. I think if it was a white man shot in a daycare in front of children there would be just as much publicity, but no where near the controvercy. The daycare operators,Pastor, and parents of the little kids would be hopping mad, and 90% of the community would support them. Why does it matter what color the unarmed man was? Isn't it enough that he was unarmed, not threatening the women or kids and in the middle of a daycare ran by a church? If that doesn't raise eybrows what would? There's no way you can convince me that cops school teaches cops to handle things this way they did. Posted by: T Location: Rockford Barmore was not unarmed. He had a knife, and he tried to take an officer's gun (unless you want to accuse the police of planting the evidence). No, they didn't kill an unarmed man. They did however have the right to protect themselves against someone intending to harm them. They did have the right to protect the children at the daycare facility he was at (forget that bit of info?). And you forgot to add one more thing to what Barmore was. He was someone's abusive boyfriend. For someone who's first line is innocent until proven guilty, you sure do a quick job convicting the officers. Maybe you would've liked it better if 'innocent' Barmore shot one or both the officers? Maybe you would have liked it if 'innocent' Barmore shot or stabbed a child? Nice try, no dice. Good thing the real world isn't as doom and gloom as you portray. Posted by: Diane Location: Rockford What ever happened to innocent til proven guilty ? So glad we still have freedom of speech though...Barmore lost his life cuz those 2 police felt they had the right to kill instead of grabbing the unarmed man & taking him to jail...2 cops against a unarmed 23 yr old....what a shame ! I The truth...hopefully will come out soon...This is a terrible thing for children to witness....the police should have known better & handled this in a better way...I agree that these 2 cops should be checked out too...given their history of killing people...instead of handling things in a better way...think about it...would u want them to get ur children? I think not !!! Every life is worth saving...Mark Barmore was somebody's son...someone's brother..someone's dad...he didn't stand a chance against 2 cops that r trigger happy...My condolences to the Barmore family... Posted by: T Location: Rockford Nicole - And you have waited for the facts? Tell me, suppose this mean, trigger happy, racist officer didn't fire, suppose he either stayed outside the church or didn't fire during the struggle and let this thug (anyone who hits women is a thug) either shoot a child or hold them hostage, as the thug had already grabbed the officer's gun? You can be dang sure you'd be on here saying this racist officer doesn't want black kids to be safe. No, you aren't satisfied until you have 'your' version of justice, and you don't care about the facts. 3-4 people shot, a few dead? Guess what? You wanna live the 'playa' lifestyle, toting around the 9, bustin caps on people who diss you, you're gonna have to face the consequences. This is the real world, not some lil Wayne video or Grand Theft Auto. Doesn't matter what color your skin is, you assault women, you carry weapons illegally, you are a criminal. You don't need a Master's or Bachelor's Degree to know that (or at least one would think). Posted by: Nicole Location: Rockford So you're saying "non-whites" don't raise their kids and "non-whites" live on the west side? Guess what hunny I'm a "non-white" and I live on the east side, raised by a single black woman that has her Master's Degree and to add to that I have my Bachelor's degree so before you open your mouth...think twice. All police aren't bad but we do have a trigger happy cop on our hands. 5 years on the force with 3-4 people shot and a few dead? That's a bit much ...uh what name did u go by on here? "T". Wait for the facts "T" then talk... Posted by: T Location: Rockford Oh thank goodness Jesse's still here. Apparently the group that paid for him to come stick his nose into other people's business could only get his fancy room if he stayed more than 3 days. So surprise, he pops up at Jefferson. We are SO LUCKY! And to all these people claiming Rockford is a racist city - then leave! Nobody's keeping you here. How about this, how about the police just stay out of the west side of town? Since you all are convinced the police are bad, how about you doing their job? You won't because then there'll be no way for you to dispute the fact! The fact that instead of getting these individuals to stop their violence you blame the (usually white) authorities. You want to know why more 'non-whites' are killed? Because they are the ones doing the more violent crimes. Stand up and really be the community activists you claim to be. Stop taking the 'it's not our fault' route. Take responsibility, you raise your kids. Take ownership of your actions, man up Posted by: Mary Location: Rockford If he had done nothing wrong, why was he hiding in a storage closet??? Posted by: lana Location: rockford i will not be sending my son to school today. thanks jefferson for the heads up on this, i had to find out this morning on the news. mr jackson has no business at our schools. he may not talk about the shooting but everyone knows why he is there. these children are not mature enough for this kind of "out reach". as proved a couple of years ago with the reaction to the principal being fired. i thought jefferson and the school district was making good headway. now here i go again, finding another school district to send my kids to school. shame on rockford. and for the shooting, where was mr jackson when the white guys got shot by the cops. people should not run from the cops thats all there is to it. and if a criminal went into my sons school i would hope the cops would follow him in. what if he would have taken the kids hostage. the police had no idea what his intentions were. after all he was a wanted criminal. the proof is in his past!! Posted by: Anonymous WHEN IS ENOUGH NOW YOU HAVE ANOTHER GROUP RAISEING HELL BECUSE A BLACK FIRE FIGHTER IS ACUSED OF CHEATING ON HIS TIME CARD. IF HE,S NOT GULTY ITS UP TO THE JURY.NOT THE BLACK COMMUNITY . IF MR JACKSON WANTS TO DO SOME GOOD START WITH THE BLACK ON BLACK VIOLINCE THE GANGS THE RAPPERS THAT PROMOTE THIS HATE THE DRUG DEALERS THAT SELL THIS JUNK THAT DESTROYS FAMILYS . NOW THAT OUR CITY AND COUNTY LEADERS ARE BOWING TO THE PRESURE THE REAL LOSER IS THE TAX PAYER LAWSUIT AFTER LAWSUIT MR JACKSON WOULD NOT BE HERE IF THER WAS NOTHIN IN IT FOR HIM. I SOPOSE WE SHOULDNT HAVE LAWS AND REVERT BACK TO THE STON AGE WHER THING WAS SETTELD WITH A CLUB.REMEMBER THE ONLY REASON YOU NEED A COP IS WHEN YOUR VICTIM OF A CRIME AND WHEN THE COPS CATCH CRIMINALS THAY CRY THER THE VICTIMS. I WONT LOSE NO SLEEP WHEN THE POLICE DEPT TAKES DOWN A THUG. THIS CITY IS THE WILD WEST OF CHICAGO AND IF YOU FEEL SAFE IN THIS TOWN YOU ARE IN FAIRYLAND.IT NEEDS TO STOP BEFORE WE HAVE RODNEY KING INCEDENT. Posted by: B.R would all this publicity all be happening if it was a white man shot in a day care center in front of children Posted by: jason Location: rockford It's all about risk assessment. The police assessed the risk from Barmore at 10 on a scale of 1-10 and that's why lethal force was used. Problem is that the pastor's wife and daughter didn't see it that way and were horrified when the unarmed man was shot to death in a DAYCARE center full of diaper babies and toddlers. Since Barmore was unarmed, it looks like the pastor's wife and daughter had the most accurate assessment. Too many people are overthinking this. An unarmed man was shot to death in a daycare. If this would have been black cops shooting a white kid in that same daycare there would be no controversy. We all would agree that police should be able to arrest an unarmed man without shooting guns near women and little babies. Just imagine if this would have happened at Christian Life or Trinity Lutheran's daycare! The cops story doesn't make sense. How does Barmore get close enough to grab a gun? Cops always stay far away and make the guy lay face down before cuffing the Posted by: matt Location: rockford i think that the person that let this guy in the church is, as much to blame as the cops that shot him, but you don't hear any one mad about that, why is that, is it becouse a black person let him the church? i feal bad for the family, it's a shame a life was lost, but the only real person to blame is the guy that the cops were after, he should have just gave up, and that would have ended it, and no one would have got shot. Posted by: B Location: Rockford As I read these responses, all I can do is cry. I have a very family and group of friends. I see color, ALL colors, as beautiful. It is sad to see that racism from both sides is still so alive. I have mixed children and feel it from both sides. I pray that one day Dr. King's Dream will REALLY come true. In my eyes President Obama represents a small step towards that because he is black and white. But I see that there is a long way to go. I respect Rev. Jackson, but I feel that he just creates more racial division. Regardless of my opinion of the case, my deepest condolences go out to Mark's family and friends. Maybe something positive can come out of this. Did anyone ever think that he would bring Rev Jackson to Rockford or make such a stir? Sometimes bad things happen to create good. Either way it goes, he won't be forgotten. Posted by: Anonymous Location: Denver, CO All I'm saying is Rockford, IL is a white racist city, always has been, always will be. They don't want any minorities living there whatsoever, if they did, they wouldn't be trying to kill them all off. In the last year they have killed 4 young men (3 by tasers and 1 by a gun) (3 black and 1 hispanic) and yet they keep coming up w/lame excuses to justify their actions. Im glad someone finally decided to "STAND UP" and something needs to be done before its too late. I mean the last time I checked this is a free country. No I'm not saying that people should get away w/breaking the law but I am saying there are better ways to handle the situations. Note they are all domestically related in some way ... I guess they should of killed Chris Brown too then huh!!!! Posted by: Roscoe il What would have happened if the guy would have taken the officers gun and shot one of those kids then what would people be complaining about then? Posted by: Joe Location: rockford Why is it that we blame an want others to pay for our actions. You are a criminal you should pay. People get shot at all the time are we screaming and picketing to stop the bangers, and hoodlums on the street. No we just go after the ones who are doing a job and protecting citizens. If I had kids in a day care, and someone came in weopon with them or not I would want my child protected and survive, because I raise my children. Look aorund parents are just letting their kids run the streets no regard for adults, teachers, and police figures. Its time to wake up parents, be reponsible quit making exscuses for your failures and grow up quit setting the example of not growing up yourself. This is not just a problem in Rockford it is nation wide. Even our own president said to do this. And I didnt even vote for him. Yet I do agree. Its time time to be responsible. Posted by: Bill Location: South Beloit I truly feel sorry for the 2 police officers involved in the daycare shooting this week. one or both of them is going to have to pay dearly just for doing his job.what makes it so sad is that the payment they will have to make will be, in all honesty,not be because of guilt, but for appeasement!! Would there have been this type of uprising had the officers not been white? Posted by: a Location: Rockford where did the paramedics come into this, really- what did they have to do with the shooting, grow up. Posted by: jill Location: rockford il why didnt they tazzer him ?why did they shot mr baremore when children wasnt arround? Posted by: Annonymous What about the children in that daycare facility? How would people react if one of those children would have been injured in this incident? That man had no business running into that building. The police had to make a decision, protect the children or risk them. Now its made into a huge racial issue even though they say they aren't, that's what it has become. What about those kids? people commit crimes, why not focus all of this media attention and the rallying on things that will impact the community, the future, something we can do something about? Im sick of hearing the poor pitiful me stuff. I understand the grief by the family, however, this isn't going to bring him back. He made a choice to flee and run into a daycare facility where children were, I see the police doing what they felt was necessary to protect those children. Why not focus this attentnion of getting help for those kids who are being impacted by this the most. I'm sure they are terrified. Make daycares safer... Posted by: Nicole Location: Rockford, IL My Kids are all mixed so im not saying this out of hate but if it was a WHITE man that got shot in the same incident I dont think that it would have had all this neg attn toward the police the Black community would of cheered but now since it is a BLACK man everyone wants to say that it is the police that are at fault and call in the Rev Jesse Jackson but did you ever think that if he was not in no wrong doing at all they would have never chased him in the first place. I feel sorry for the family but at the same time the police were protecting their self and the community. Keep up the good work RPD. Posted by: k Location: rockford The people in the communities are crying foul, why? Because a white cop shot and killed a black man?!?Nothing would be said if the colors were reversed. The people of that neighborhood are making it racial. Then they question the safety of the children at the daycare. Where was their concerns and safety for those children when they were chasing after the police to witness the incident? He may have come out of that room with his hands in the air but who's to say that when he was being handcuffed, he didn't reach for the officers gun and try to shoot it. Their stories and claims stop with him coming out of the closet. Then there's the Rev. Jesse Jackson. Why is he involved? I'm glad to hear and see that outside sources are investigating this incident. The people at the daycare and in that neighborhood have made this a racial issue right from the start and now are singing a different tune about coming together to resolve this. He was running from the cops for a reason people!!!!!! Posted by: Vickie Location: Rockford IL This is terrible, Not a Race issue. It seems to be affecting everyone. Here and all accross the nation. The police and government are out of control. There seems to be 2 sets of laws. One set for you and me and another set for the govenment and police. Split society, the rich the poor, the people the government. The laws and consitution are for all the people all the time. Murder is Murder. In front of small children and in a church is an awful sin. The shooters should be tried in front of a jury to see what really happened. Then if quilty, go to prison or death, that is the law for all the people. My sympathy to us all. Rockford seems to be very out of control. Our mayor needs to get off his butt and do his job. Not just as it pertains to this but as it pertains to many issues. (roads, high sales taxes, police cheifs, Firehouse people, vacant buildings bought and sitting, loss of business and jobs, etc. Posted by: T Location: Rockford As long as we have music that praises violence against women and police, put police in a negative light that encourages violence, praises drug use and the 'playa' lifestyle. As long as we have men who won't step up to their responsibility to be a father. As long as we have people who instead of looking inwards ALWAYS blames the police/mayor/anyone else, especially if they are white. As long as we have situations where instead of dealing with the facts we cry racism and bring in individuals or more often than not make the situation worse instead of better. As long as we martyr the criminal and villify the person doing their job. As long as these things happen, situations like the one we're in now will always continue. Always come up with an excuse for why a criminal would run and/or attack an officer. Bring in Jesse or Al to stir things up more. Put your personal quests ahead of the truth. No, nothing's getting solved with this, and nothing probably will. Posted by: dave Location: freeport time to drop alot of the coverage all you are doing is adding fuel to the fire it wasa horrible thing that happened maybe the police are guilty of excessive force it will come out in the investigation but after seeing their record it seems as though they are loose canons who have watched to many cop shows Posted by: Ms. CynthiaWatson Location: Rockford, IL I watched the news tonight about people seeking refuge from the law in a church. I think this is taken out of context. Just if he had run into someone's home, the building should have been surrounded and clergy and/or mediators should have coerced him out. In reality, anyone who runs into a building knows they will eventually be taken into custody. It is just a stall for time. Their mind is not functioning correctly under pressure. I do not think the officers should have pursued him inside the building. Would they have shot him in say perhaps a crowded grocery store? Everybody involved exhibited poor judgement that day. Mark paid his price for poor judgement. When or if the officers pay their price for poor judgement remains to be seen. I personally think it will work out favorably for the officers which will be seriously unjust for the community as a whole. Posted by: color blind Location: machesney park everyone needs to calm down! what happened was a tradgedy, but I guess I don't understand! where was the outrage when last year a black man left a gun by a dumpster and two innocent kids found it and one lost his life? where is the outrage to stop the gangbangers? maybe if everyone would work together it would be a safer place for everyone! RACISM STARTS AT HOME!!! there are black racist as well as white racist! come on people stop teaching your children to hate, it has to stop somewhere let this be a wakeup call!! one thing that has bothered me is this young mans father has been front and center at all the photo ops, why was he raised in foster care? maybe he should have been front and center in his son's life instead of in his son's death? please everyone take a step back and wait to see what happens!! Posted by: Carol Location: Mach Park "One should not go into a church, or a temple or a synagogue with guns blazing," says Rev. Jackson. SEND THIS LUNATIC HOME! One shouldnt have to go into a church shooting if the criminals wouldnt seek shelter in a church. If they want church in their life so bad then they should try going before the cops chase them there. Hate to tell you Jesse. But if the criminal wanted to go to church so bad, then maybe he should have went to church before he was running from the cops, not after the fact! This Jesse character is stirring up more racism than anything! Would he be here is it was a white man that got shot, I think not... Posted by: P Location: Cherry Valley The only thing that could cure all of this race card bs would be for the cops to let a cop of their own race deal with each and every situation that arises. So if your running after a black man, send a black cop, running after a white man, send a white cop.... That sounds ridiculous but thats the only way to please the idiots who pull the race card everytime a black man or woman get caught by RPD. Teach them and guide them in the right direction before they start causing trouble. Posted by: J Location: Sycamore. SEND JESSE HOME!!! Posted by: Phamily Location: Rockford b/w/o NY L. I commend your academic achievements. However, it would do you well to at least acquire your GED from the "School of Life". Until such time just sit still and continue to look smart. As a matter of fact your first assignment is to review the "real life" case involving a Professor "Skip" Gates. Please submit your essay(1000 wds)in a timely manner. Your failure to do so may result in life, as YOU see it, remaining the same. P.S. take off the rose-colored glasses. Posted by: JUSTIN Location: Rockford, IL Wow, at least it's good to know when you stand up for something in this CITY people still LISTEN! I couldn't be more pleased with the hightned awareness this has lead to, and the pressure it has put on MEDIA & CITY OFFICALS to do the right thing! They keep telling me I'm way in over my head. I tell 'um I like it right where I'm at. NO JUSTICE NO PEACE!! & Thank You Jesse Jackson for coming to Rockford! ~ JUSTIN Posted by: T Location: Rockford In response to L: How do you know the person never grabbed the gun? You're quick to claim that there was no gun. The invidual in Loves Park, did he run into a daycare center where children were present? Did he hide in a closet? Was he armed with a knife? The problem with an investigation (especially since Jesse has decided to add his 2 cents) is that the people crying police racism will not be satisfied until the police are punished. They could have video in front of them and they still would not believe it. And why is it that people standing up to those whose are claiming the police are wrong are being racist? Would this same level of hatred and venom be displayed if the officer that fired the shots was African-American? Have we sunk to such a level to where 'community activists' will only be satisfied when it is a rule that only officers of the same racial background as the suspect are allowed to give chase? Would you be protesting as loudly if the suspect injured a child? Posted by: Raaaaaaaandy Location: Rockford, IL "The person never grabbed or fired a shot from the officers gun, he wasn't that successful if he was trying to grab the gun. We weren't there so we shouldn't speculate what really happened." You're right, we weren't there...therefore you can't really say Barmore did or didn't grab the gun. Let's wait until the investigation is concluded before we speculate. Posted by: L Location: Rockford Illinois In response to T.. The person never grabbed or fired a shot from the officers gun, he wasn't that successful if he was trying to grab the gun. We weren't there so we shouldn't speculate what really happened. I am not turning this into a race issue like the rest of Rockford but here is my stance. Lets not be judges and lets allow the authorities to do their investigation. No one deserves to lose their life, the use of deadly force should have never been an option because the Loves Park didn't deem deadly forces on the suspect that ran from them on Friday. I have read through this blog and the level of racism and ignorance is through the roof. Lets stand up with one another and stop trying to act like we are still in the struggle. Not all black people are thugs, I hold a Ph.D. from Northwestern and I am not a crook nor am I raising my family in that manner. How about we stop with the hatred, lets get past all of that. Posted by: jake Location: rockford I'm going to try to put this all in perspective. An officer was in a fight for his life. This was not a boxing match where the participants shake hands afterwards and go out for drinks. This is a fight where one man lives or several people die. the only reason someone tries to take a gun from a cop is because they have made a decision to kill..Period! There is no disputing that. This is a fight for life knowing that if you lose this fight, you are dead..That's what goes through the mind of a cop when he is fighting for his gun. Sorry but, game over. Oda Poole has been awarded a medal of courage when he went into a burning building and saved children only to need medical treatment himself. This happened at fairgrounds. What happened to the officers firing their guns while Barmore was on the ground including finishing him off with a shot to the head? It seems the eye witness accounts are ever evolving.. Posted by: Teresa Location: Rockford WOW! Rockford is so screwed up. Who do you trust anymore not paramedics if your a scumbag, and heaven help you if your in jail or have nine kids living off of the goverment. I hope I never have to use paramedics in town Posted by: T Location: Rockford Robert, the person grabbed the officer's gun and fired the first shot during the struggle. Had he been successful in grabbing the gun there would be one, possibly two officers wounded or dead, not to mention what could have happened to the children in the daycare center. No, I don't think the decision to shoot had anything to do with how the officer felt, unless you want to consider him feeling, like staying alive and protecting children. Posted by: Robert The use of "deadly force" by a police officer should never be decided by how he or she "feels". It should only be used if and when the officer is faced with a visible threat of death or severe physical injury to him/herself or other individuals in the area. To justify the use of police powers on the basis of how any police officer "feels" in any situation sets up a very dangerous precedent for all citizens. A higher standard of judgement should be used by police officers who are to provide all of us with a reasonable level of safety and security. Real safety is seldom provided by a gun. Posted by: Crystal Location: Rockford JUSTICE is finding out the truth and until the community starts viewing this as a RIGHT and WRONG issue justice will not be done. It is important that the focus is not lost in the midst of peoples' opionions and personal feelings. The truth must be determined by someone who doesn't have a vested interest or connection with our police department and community. Posted by: joshua Location: rockford The rockford police are trigger happy I went to then mayor's office looking for someone that could help my girlfriend our daughter and I cuz all these place that are suppost to help the home less either wont return my calls or cant help me cuz I don't qualifiey for the programs so I go to the mayors office and there nothing nothing they could help me with accept take them to the homeless sheltter were all the hookers and drug addicts that really a place for a 4 year old. I say we impeach the mayor cuz the fool don't know what the hell he's doing he reminds me of the corrupt govener thet ran the states name in the ground and ran to new york. were obama when you need him I think he might have been a joke too. read this over the air and see how many peaple think the same way. ROCKFORD IS A JOKE!!!!!!!!!!! Posted by: joshua woodford Location: rockford{wothless town} the rockford police are trigger happy and that jackass for a mayor don't do shit for us accept actting just like that gov. we had that gave the state a bad name and then ran to new york it just sad when a 20 year old couple with a 4 year old daughter are homeless and the onlything the mayors office can tell you is take your self's down to the homeless shellter were all the hookers and drugs addicts are I'll pass thats not a place for a four year old this city is ****** up and I say we blame the mayor for all of it impeache his ass get that worthless person out of office that how I feel about it. Posted by: Raaaaaaaandy Location: Rockford, IL I am shocked and appalled by the ignorance and the obvious lack of grasp most people posting here have on the English language. If what people are writing here on this "blog" is a display of the education level of the people of Rockford...I'm sick. It's deplorable! Can the police load their guns with education bullets and fire them people next time they get out of line so I don't have to read this garbage? Posted by: T Location: Rockford JOHNNY - We can call someone criminal when they have been convicted of a crime. We can call someone criminal when they have violated parole. We can call someone criminal when they disobey a police officer's request to stop when it relates to that person physically assaulting a woman. Therefore, this person was a criminal. And oh so wonderful joy, apparently Jesse likes something in Rockford, because he's decided to have someone pay for his ticket out here to stick his nose into things. People complain about how Rockford isn't taking care of them, giving them things. Yet they can pay for Jesse to fly out here first class, stay in a nice hotel, be limo'd around, and make the situation that much worse. No, certain people will not be satisfied with the truth, the cash register's going off, and their looking for their cut of the check. Posted by: Sherry Location: Loves Park Does anyone see a problem with the Nation of Islam being involved? Their leaders, like Farakhan, hates whites and Jews! Oh, that'll cure the racism problem real nice! Posted by: Jerry Location: Rockford anyone noticed the fathers attire. Bandanna like a banger and all. Come on its time to gorw up if you raise your kids responsibly you wont have this problem. Every one knows you are running from the police you must be guilty of something. Lets get real and start addmitting responsibilty. Educate your kids make them want to get out of bad situations, ecurage them, dont set the example looking like a thug and honoring the dead with angelic posters come on enough already. Posted by: Phamily Location: Rockford b/w/o NY Is this a case of justifiable homocide?... that is the question. Was deadly force necessary?...maybe... maybe not. I personally believe that this is a case of piss-poor judgement and over-reaction. I have observed that Oftimes young white men that become law enforcement officers bring to he table negative mental and emotional baggage with reference their experiences or encounters with african americans in general and african american males in particular. Without going to deeply into it I'll just say that they(caucasian law emforcement officers) often are truly not aware of the why's of their reaction to and/or treatment of african american people, compared to caucasian people found in a similar situation during a routine call or chance encounter. However, in the final analysis I conclude that the infectious germ of racism seems to always reign supreme in it,s unsuspecting host! Posted by: concerned Location: belvidere I'm sure if there was a chid or childen held hostage the police would be at fault also.Daycare's should keep their doors locked. Posted by: judy Location: machesney park My son Jerry Eschen was shot and killed by a rockford police officer in 1989. An unforunate accident the grand jury said.I have called the records dept. and they say the records can never be opened. Why? Its time the Rockford police dept is inviestagted. Public records should be avaliable at all times. Posted by: ELIZABETH Location: United States things in this community are usally reported correctly by word of mouth not by what the police say happens and that is not suppose to be the case but thats the truth of how things are. Posted by: Jo Location: Freeport, IL I think that Jesse Jackson stirs up more problems. And how can he say it's not "racial?" Would he have come if it was a white person? No he wouldn't. He always seems to stir up trouble, & not the peace of God. If the officers are guilty of it being a racial thing, I think they should pay for their actions. & why did J. Jackson go look at the body? Is he qualify to to autopsies? NO. I agree with Sherry, Amy, Steve, and others. Does everything have to be about the black card? I have mixed in my family, and to me it's getting old. I pray that the truth comes out of this whole mess. I am a christian as well, but I lack respect for Jesse Jackson, like I said, he should be bringing peace, and not put his nose in to stir up trouble! Posted by: LOVER Location: ROCKFORD i knew marc..an i kno his family an brother..they live down the street 4rm me.. he was a coo person just misunderstood an he tried 2 change but sumtimes it's hard he was not bad person..da fact of the matter is yes he was wrong 4 running into the church but,../if the police saw no weapon they should'nt have fired multiple times at that...they just reacted off of assumptions just cauz he had a knife on sunday doesn't mean he had one on sunday plus he would'n have hurt those children he has 2 of his own...an as 4 u people say'n he deserved 2 die..nobody does just think if he was ur loved one Posted by: Anonymous My heart is truly saddened by this tragedy. But I beleive that this whole ordeal is being misconcepted. Stop for a moment and take a look at the over all. NO, it was not the smartest place to run. However, he did run there, but if he surrendered with his hands up and his head down-----NO ONE HAD THE RIGHT TO SHOOT HIM! Why not taze him. Because it was said that he had a knife on Sunday didn't mean that he had the knife on Monday. The police didn't see a weapon (so why assume)! NOT ALL POLICE ARE SNAKES----------JUST SOME OF THEM!!!!! I will be praying for everyone!!!!!{I AGREE},.. I KNEW MARC..HE WAS A COO PERSON..AN YES HE HAD RUN INTO SUMTHINGS IN DA PAST..HE WAS TRY'N CHANGE HIS WAYS..THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS IF HE HAD NO WEAPON..NO SHOTS SHOULD HAVE BEEN FIRED Posted by: D Location: Loves Park The "thoughts and feelings" from this blog appear to be taking on the appearence of a vote regarding what the community thinks of what happened. The community needs to wait for the results of the investigation. A problem of the area medis is, frequently the race of anyone who is not white is pointed out. The first report of this shooting from the media was: a black man has been shot in a daycare center by 2 white policeman. Who played the race card? Why was it important to identify the race of the persons involved. Also, what is the real purpose of blog site? Is the intent to inform or inflame the community? Posted by: Mike Location: Rochelle Of course we all know the Rev Jessie is always interested in healing and justice. Does anyone know what it costs to get the Rev Jessie here for healing... maybe just his wallet. When one of the cops shot someone he was getting run over by a car, of course I'm sure that was racial as well. Posted by: Tom Location: Cherry Valley Now thats a March ill join Sherry!! Ill even lead the pack! Love how people are making themselves sound so educated by saying the police shouldnt have guns or tazers... Might as well match up an ant against an Army.. Now thats what I would want, police armed with microphones, so when my house is being robbed they can sit outside and say we can talk this out so Rockfords most educated cant turn this into a race issue.. Maybe Rockford should only hire black cops so no cards can be pulled. Posted by: jay Location: rockford was i the only one listening to rockfor raps on saturday (wnta) when the black host and co-host stated the fact that since the year 2000 rockford cops have shot more whites than blacks? it was not close either. maybe the whites should call on their white leaders to come tor rockford and have a rally. speak at a church. call barmor's actions unjust. and rule the shooting.....you get my point. wake up rockford-the tide is changing and now with the way this investigation has been turned over to an outside agency so the outcome can be trusted-maybe we should get rid of chief epperson, dc lindmark and the whole police department. afterall, if they can't be trusted to conduct an honest investigation then why should we have them. maybe mayor M can get the state police to protect our citizens. thats it, get rid of the cops in the schools because one segment of rockford doesn't trust having them there, now turn over the investiation-whats next...... Posted by: jay Location: rockford i hope that once the whole truth is out about the shooting those who are lying about what happened are held accountable. i hope that those who are lying about the "truth" are held accountable. once the "truth" is out-i would expece those who are lying are charged and prosecuted for their lies. despite their position of authority i would expece them to be prosecuted and placed in jail like all criminals are... Posted by: Shar Location: Rockford Drop the race card! I get so sick of it being over used. White OR black I want the truth of what happpened. Let the FBI figure it out and send Jackson home. Don't stir the pot with race! Posted by: Anonymous Why did the pastors wife let mr barmore into the church ? She put all their lives in danger. If he was this model citizen than why was he running from the police. Shame on you mr pastor & your wife for making this a racial issue, you should get your stories & facts straight !!! Posted by: Sherry Location: Loves Park Mr. Barmore was running from police for a reason. He faced deadly consequences for it. The police officers shooting him more than once should face the consequences of their wrong actions. And, if this isn't a race issue why is it the Reverend Jesse Jackson has come to town? The fine food? Kudos to the police who are the fine line of blue between good and evil. Now, let's march out against lazy parents who don't seem to want to raise their kids to respect authority and learn about consequences for their actions, good or bad. Posted by: Amy Location: Loves Park I wonder why of all places a CHURCH would be making this a racial issue.Shouldn't they let the investigation get over be for they play the race card? And why did the ministers wife let him inside when she knew he was being chased by the police? And she claims the police put the kids in jeopardy, yet she was the one who put the kids in jeopardy. She's making this criminal sound like he was so innocent! This day school should be SHUT DOWN for the safety of the kids! Posted by: Steve Location: Loves Park, Il. Before the Rockford Register Star newspaper made this into a racial situation with their Aug.26th opening paragraph, they should have listed this man's criminal history as well. No, as usual the paper is quick to bash the Police and not the criminal. It's a shame it had to come to a death, but when you choose a life of crime, you know the risks going in, that this could happen and it did. What was the young man going to do with the Officers gun??, clean it and give it back?, I think not.. There could have been one or both of the Officers dead also. I believe they had no other choice in the split seconds they had. It's unfortunate the Police in Rockford and the area have to deal with this on a daily basis and face the disrespect they get as well??? Walk in their shoes once, and I think people would think before opening their mouth. The Pastors, ministers, family should have steered this man down a different path some time ago, instead of pointing fingers. Blame yourselves. Posted by: tom do we really need the bandwagon jumper rev jesse interupting golf Posted by: wes its impoertant, but the golf back and tape the news conf. Posted by: B Location: Rockford Mr. Barmore was fleeing from the police in regards to a domestic call, not just for safety. The church is upset that the police put the children in danger, but it was Mr. Barmore that put the children in danger. Also, I know they say that the church doors are always open but if they have a daycare the place should be more secure. I'm not taking sides, I'm just waiting for the ouside investigation. I hate that this has become such a race issue. Posted by: Wingnut Location: Rockford I don't understand. When a Black man defies the police to the point of getting killed, there is a big uproar. When a Black man is killed in a drive-by, there is a big BBQ. What's the logic behind that? Posted by: DAN Location: ROCKFORD HOW CAN THE POLICE SAY IT WAS JUSTIFIED WHEN HE WAS SHOT IN THE BACK THREE TIMES Posted by: DEBORAH Location: ROCKFORD First of the officers didn't have respect for the church daycare that situation could have been far worse than what it wasthey endangerd those children not to mention the effect this will have on them they shot an un armed man why? justice will now be for everyone in rockford not just a select few but everyone Posted by: Wingnut Location: Rockford I just don't understand. When a Black defies the police to the point of getting killed, there is a big uproar. When a Black is killed in a drive-by, there's a BBQ. What's the logic to this? I don't get it. Posted by: s How can any of you honestly think Barmore was running into the church and hiding in a closet for help? What planet are you living on? How can some of you say the 2nd officer should'nt have shot, should he have just stood there? Barmore could have been mentally unstable and taken someone hostage. Maybe you think the 2nd officer who found his partner struggling with a criminal should have tazed him. Oh yes Mr. Barmore, wiat till I get my tazer out and see how many times it takes to zap you till you let go of the gun? You must think Mrs. Brown has eyes in the back of her head to see it all so clearly in a dimly lit basement, wow, she is super human! Why do we need an Islamic movement helping in this....that is the scariest thing yet. Posted by: ANONYOMOUS Location: ROCKFORD LET'S NOT FORGET THESE OFFICER'S HAVE A HISTORY!!! SO I'M NOT CONVINCED THEY WAS JUST TRYING TO PROTECT THEY SELF WHAT EVER HAPPEN TO NOT ENDANGERING THE LIVES OF OTHERS???? THESE MEN THINK THEY CAN DO WHATEVER THEY WANT BECAUSE MR. EPPERSON GONE BACK THEM UP!!! NOT THIS TIME. HOW MANY PEOPLE DO THESE MEN HAVE TO KILL BEFORE SOMEONE REALIZE WHAT THEY'RE DOING IS WRONG. THEY SUPPOSE TO SERVE & PROTECT NOT ENDANGER & KILL {ENOUGH IS ENOUGH} Posted by: Anonymous Location: Loves park You know whats unfair, is that there will be 1000 black witnesses saying that they seen one thing happen and there will be the two cops with their side of the story, when 3/4 of them dont have a clue on what really happened and prob werent even there....cant wait to hear the verdict and hope the cops win it. Posted by: anonymous Location: rockford You know everytime something like this happens, or anything for that matter there is always a race card pulled and thrown in everybodys face, and then put through trial and everything else...look at the prison race statistics.. it is a proven fact that a certain race is more apt to getting in trouble than others.. look at their lifestyles, parenting, and everything else. Stay in school and stop trying to be like the next rapper.. Posted by: Anonymous Location: Rockford I commend the police dept for taking one more animal off of the streets. What kind of person runs to a daycare to seek shelter? Why was he running in the first place? With his criminal history he should have been in jail a long time ago. I dont quite agree with the officers shooting him in the daycare, but look at it from their perspective, you have some idiot running from you possibly with a weapon, he runs into a daycare and starts taking children hostage..then what? Put him out of his misery before he starts putting helpless children in danger. I dont feel bad for anybody that has frequent run-ins with the law. I am a paramedic in town and get tired of dealing with scumbag people on a daily basis, I can only imagine what they feel like. Dont get me started on prison systems and people that live off of the government and have 9 kids by the age of 25... Posted by: Necole Location: Rockford regardless what took place on that afternoon is there justification for a life to be taken we do not know the facts and the question is, will we ever? do not pass judgement but for bid we make a wrong decision and be in the wrong place at the wrong time does that mean my life is at hands of one that may think the answer is to show they are superior than i because they wear a badge! I applaud Epps for requesting an outside investigation. Remember someone has lost a son, a father, a love one! do not put your self superior! what was the situation at that time? can people change? I thank GOD he doesn't allow man to judge because we would be hung for no tomorrow! do not prejudge think and maybe if the cops had done their job we would not be in this situation! cops do not need tasers or guns they need compassion and common sense, right and wrong! If the cops had been doing there job; known the community and the Church's the safe houses would be just that a place of safety not TERROR! Posted by: Abrianna Location: rockford No it is not smart for you to run from the police because then you look suspicious, when does running from the police warrant being shot in the head. I can understand if they would have tasered him or even beat him with the stick...look at the facts, he was unarmed! Also, why would the witnesses lie? These people had no reason, they were forced into the situation. Now, the police, they have reason to fudge the story. This guy was a criminal, yes, but prior history does not mean you should just be killed. he was stupid for his action, he should have never ran into that church but to sit here and say he deserved to die!!! This was no rapist, no killer, no child beater or molester. It seems the real low lifes are the people on this board who no regard for human life. Posted by: JOHNNY WHO ARE WE TO CALL ANYONE A CRIMINAL? YOU NEVER EVEN MET THE MAN. YOUR GOING OFF THE POLICE STATEMENTS. WAIT UNTIL THIS TYPE OF THING HAPPENS TO ONE OF YOUR FAMILY MEMBERS. WILL YOU FEEL THE SAME THEN? ALSO WHEN YOU HAVE POLICE WHO HAVE SHOT AT LEAST 5 PEOPLE IN THE LAST 5YRS. IT SAY'S TO ME EVERYONE THEY COME IN CONTACT WITH IS A CRIMINAL! Posted by: Anonymous Location: rockford Mark Barmore didn't run into to the church to harm anyone he ran in for his SAFETY which the officers took upon themselves to enter and PUT them children in harms way....Mark as it had been stated had a mental condition but he still did not have to die that way and the shooting was unjustified so don't confuse running scared to save his life with running because he knew he did something wrong Posted by: Judah Location: Rockford The vile and putrid comments that have been posted only serve as evidence of Rockford's lingering race problem. This was a peaceful and civil protest that raises some legitimate questions. Let us never forget who first placed the "race card" in the deck, before we accuse others of pulling it... Posted by: Monoxide Location: Rockford Some people just don't get it. If you act like a civilized human being, nothing happens. If you choose to act like a wild animal, expect to be treated like one. How hard is that to understand? Posted by: linda Location: rockford Who let the victim into the building. I would think with a daycare in the building, why would you let someone running come in the door. I think whoever opened the door is as much responsible as the cops. Would this be a big deal if a black officer had shot him? If the victim would have been white, would they have opened the door for him? When you need help, ask 911 what race the cops will be, or does that matter when it is your family is in trouble. think about it. Posted by: Jay Location: Rockford I stand behind the police. I'm tired of these career criminals thinking they own this city. Anything the police need to do to get rid of them is fine with me. Posted by: Andrea Location: Rockford I wonder were was the witness was standing because she may have missed a struggle that could have happened. These things happen so fast and with the fear for all the kids around probibly being really high. She could very well have seen his hands going up not realizing he had a gun in his hand and thought he was surrendering when he may not have been. It is really hard when your in a stressful situation with kids around to see everything and not miss anything. I know from being in a situation were my kids were in danger that I could not tell you the exacts of everything going on. Posted by: Ron Location: Rockford,Il. First of all it's a tragedy that anybody has to die but the fact is this gentleman has a criminal background which includes fighting with the police and the police are only human here as well and if you put yourself in a split second decision like this how would you actually react. The other thing that has not really been brought up is that everybody wants to always get upset about the use of tasers, so if they had been used in this case would we be talking about how the police were abusive because this young man got hurt being tased. People may say that wouldn't be something they would complain about but it has happened time and time again so I suppose we should just let criminals get away with their crimes. Simple fact of the matter is if people would just abide by the law and stop commiting crimes then this wouldn't even be an issue. Posted by: Anonymous Location: rockford The minister and his family is concerned about the financial costs to them because people are pulling their children out..what would have been the financial cost, criminal costs, and lifes if the young man they let in and hid would have taken the children hostages. Did they search him first to determine if he had a knife or weapon before hiding him in the close. Enough race victimization strategy...things will only get better when responsibility is taken by everyone involved in this man's life before his death, where were these persons to teach him not to be a criminal in the first place..The minister's decision is an example of how deep that mentality runs- if you can fool the police and get away then your choices aren't wrong. Posted by: Kristen Location: Rockford This daycare shooting is ridiculous. All these people are mourning the death of a low life career criminal, and blaming the cops for endangering their lives and the kids' lives. I'm sorry, who was the one that ran into the building in the first place? If he wasn't guilty of anything, he wouldn't have run from the cops, he would have cooperated with them. You know what the consequences are if you run from and/or disobey a cop. This was not about race, quit playing the race card all the time, it's really old. It diminishes true racism, and only hurts your own cause. Those cops were NOT wrong, they did their job, which is keeping all of us safe from scum like this guy. He needed to be taken down, and I'm glad he was. That's one less low life on the streets. Anyone defending him should be ashamed of themselves, and take a look at the company they keep. The two cops involved should not be investigated, this is outrageous, and it sickens me that it's even become an issue! Posted by: Jenny Location: Rockford I the police did nothing wrong then why not let someone from outside ofthe Rockford P.D. Also why was someone from the street to just run into the Church/daycare and put little ones in danger? I think that the church/daycare put some kind securty system in at the doors so that parents know that their children are safe. Posted by: regina Location: rockford This young man was heading on the right path.And ask yourself if it was my child in this Daycare where a bullet could of rickashad. The police could of waited until he came out. Posted by: trina Location: rockford I agree with C.A. Where was the black community when this man started his criminal streak? It is a tradegy any time life is lost, but if he had been a law abiding citizin doing what he was SUPPOSED to be doing and staying out of trouble he wouldnt have been shot by police Posted by: Duane Location: Sterling These officers were doing their job, the victim, who was on parole, and had weapon charges in his back ground has shown total disregard for authority in the past. Stop blaming the officers and start looking at what the subject did, and place the blame in the right area and not on the officers. Posted by: T Location: Rockford I think that if the criminal (yes, he's a criminal - he had a warrant for his arrest) had been white, the same people saying the police were racist and out of bounds would be criticizing the police for letting an armed intruder into a daycare facility. The guy tried to grab the gun from the police officer, if he would have been successful there would have been 1, maybe 2 officers wounded or dead. This person assaulted a female, fled from the police, entered a church with a weapon, hid in the church, then tried to take the officer's gun from him. Any of you saying the police were wrong, tell me you wouldn't shoot if someone was trying to do that to you. His skin color is irrelevent. He was a criminal, and his actions prompted the response. The people protesting are opportunists who look for any and every chance to play the race card, which they have dealt from minute one. They should be ashamed of themselves, but I doubt they are. Posted by: J Location: Rockford Whatever happened to holding people accountable for their own actions and the consequences of those actions? Had Mr. Barmore cooperated with the police from the beginning, rather than fleeing, this outcome would most likely have been avoided. Posted by: ANONYMOUS Location: poplar grove I think the daycare should be investigated! Several discussions wonder why victim/suspect sought shelter there??? People experienced negative interaction with students and faculty. Look into how many facilities have banned visits from this organization??? Experienced person indicated children were dumped at Discovery Center unsupervised!!! Posted by: ANONYMOUS Location: ROCKFORD My heart is truly saddened by this tragedy. But I beleive that this whole ordeal is being misconcepted. Stop for a moment and take a look at the over all. NO, it was not the smartest place to run. However, he did run there, but if he surrendered with his hands up and his head down-----NO ONE HAD THE RIGHT TO SHOOT HIM! Why not taze him. Because it was said that he had a knife on Sunday didn't mean that he had the knife on Monday. The police didn't see a weapon (so why assume)! NOT ALL POLICE ARE SNAKES----------JUST SOME OF THEM!!!!! I will be praying for everyone!!!!! Posted by: Carol Location: Rockford Was Barmore an employee of the daycare? Did he have a child there? If yes, then why was he there with a gun? If he was not employed there nor did not have a child there he should not have been on the premises. Posted by: ANONYMOUS Location: ROCKFORD Let me just say this. Pastor, 1st Lady, their daughter and the other staff is not going to gain nor loss anything by lying. I believe everything that the witnesses stated because I am living proof that RPD is a joke. They take things personal. I beleive they were upset they had to chase the victim. My daughter (while pregnant) was assulted by the RPD. They thought it was a joke. While handcuffed (falsely arrested) the RPD banged her head on the police car several times, put her in the back of police car, maced her. The officer also knowing she was pregnant, picked his combat boot up and kicked her in her stomache several times. My daughter was held overnight without bail. She asked for med assit, which she never received.After being released the following day, she was treated at RMH. The RPD can not keep getting away with "POLICE BRUTALITY"!!!!! I will make sure of this. Once this case is closed I will be going to the papers, news, etc. POLICE BRUTALITY MUST COME TO AN END!!!!!!!!!! Posted by: RICH Location: ROCKTON I FEEL THE OFFICERS INVOLED SHOULD BE INVESTATED BY THE STATE POLICE OR FBI, INSTEAD OF ROCKFORD THEMSELFS. Posted by: John Location: Rockford We really need to let the investigation be completed before making any judgments. We may or may not like the results, but a thorough investigation can and will determine what really happened. Posted by: Kay Location: Rockford I honestly don't believe it's a race issue But I do believe the officers need to be accountable for their actions..On all of our jobs we have to have accountability and so many times I think that the police feel that it goes for everyone except them. I do think someone else needs to investigate the situation after all it could have been any of our kids in that daycare on any side of town. Posted by: Anonymous Location: rockford-west side completely justified. My boys know better than to go anywhere young children are and act stupid with a weapon. Doesn't matter east side or west side, he put the lives of children at risk, he got what was coming. Maybe he should have run any building but not a daycare Posted by: Larry Location: Rochelle Nothing will happen to the cops. The police NEVER do anything wrong. The only way anything could possibly come of this is if there's video of the entire event. Law abiding people all believe that the police are ALWAYS right, WAKE UP PEOPLE they do what they want when they want to who ever they want when ever they want. They will come into your house with no just cause what so ever and there's nothing you can do about it because they will just lie to get out of it and put the blame on you. Any doubts just look into the patriot act, it gives them all the power to do what ever they want. Murder by cop happens every day people. Look at the Drew Peterson case. He's still walking around. At most he'll get a slap on the hand. WAKE UP PEOPLE Posted by: APOWG Location: Rockford I feel what had happened was nothing but a cop doing his job. If a police officer feels his?her life is in danger that they have the right to shot. Everyone takes the word of a so called witness. What if the cop was black and the suspect was white?? you don't hear anything about that. I respect the officers choice, what if the man got a hold of the gun and opened fired, there were kids in that building that may have been killed. The race card gets pulled every time a black person gets killed and apparently everyone becomes a racist. If your not racists then why is it a big deal that the officers are white? The police were just doing their job and protecting themselves and the children. Posted by: POWG Location: Rockford if the suspect came out of the closet fighting with the officers over the officers gun then the shooting was justified. however if the suspect didnt come out fighting then, obviously, the shooting is not justified. since none of us were there, we dont know what really happened and cannot justify if the police were in the right.. as far as being irresponsible, running into a day care full of kids with the cops following is irresponsible. if your innocent, you dont run. i dont believe that 2 white cops would kill a black suspect for no reason because this is EXACTLY what happens EVERY time a white cop shots a black suspect.. what about white suspects being shot by black officers????? and by the way rob.. officers can shoot anytime they feel there life is threatend.. not only after they have been shot at. Posted by: juan Location: WI tired of the race card being pulled EVERY time there is an incident on the west side. If your not guilty you don't run, HE is the one that endangered all of these innocent children and by standers.. no one MADE him go in there !! how dare these bystanders make a judgement call they were not the ones involved in this incident. If it were their husband/brother or other relative they would want them to protect themselves... did I miss something ?? has it been clarified that the shooter surrendered or is this what the "witnesses" say ?? why should we believe them and not the police ?? If a black cop would have shot this man would it have been justified ?? Posted by: C.A. Location: Rockford He shouldn't have run from the police to begin with and he would be alive today. Just curious... where was the black community when this fine young man started down the wrong path to his short, yet productive life as a criminal. They always seem to come together after the fact.... Posted by: Jean Location: Rockford The person who calls themselves disgusted is looking at this from a race issue, that is proven as he states he believes it wouldn't have happened on the Eas side. I'm sorry he lives in such a boxed in world where he thinks something of public safety is a race issue. Clearly it is people like this that do not give law enforcement a chance. What Kim said sums it up: what kind of person that is evading the law runs into a church/daycare? A person trying to hide from the law not because of fear of the officers themselves but trying to hide from the law itself because they know they've committed a crime. I wonder how the person felt he had the knife to Sunday night, they knew he was dangerous. Posted by: Anonymous Location: Rockford The persons allowing a person fleeing from the police to hide in a daycare area needs to take some responsibility for what transpired, it's easy to through the blame on the police having to protect not only but their lives but the lives of everyone including children...I think if everyone looks at this to see what could been done to prevent this may include parents in this young man's life teaching him that a man what are good decisions in life and what choices will lead to filling the need to run from the police..this situation didn't start with the shooting it's where it ended for this young man. Posted by: Rob Location: Rockford I knew that guy who got shot. He wasnt a bad person what he was doing in the day care you or whatever he did that the cops were on him...the cops are not able to shot anyone unless the crook has opened fire on them. The police are probably racist and since it was only one cop and not the others he was racist for shooting a man who was giving himself up and coming out slowly. Thats a big loss for his family thanks to a stupid police officers move. Posted by: s Location: Cherry Valley I feel the officers were justified in shooting. Common sense tells someone to not commit a crime, not evade police. Common sense also tells me these officers having been through a grand jury before would not willingly put themselves and their families through it again for the fun of shooting someone of another race. Crime has gotten much worse in our society at large: Rockford is not immune from that. Our crime rate is higher over the years, people are more disrespectful of authority figures weather it's police, teachers and each other. Remember we can't hear from the police themselves...they were there yet people not there are judging them out loud in the media like an angry mob. I really believe the officers did not want a dead suspect because they knew the consequence to themselves but they had no choice when in a split second they saw their lives in danger. I also wonder if the church wanted a thourough investigation why did they bring people down to the crime scene? Posted by: Disgusted Location: Rockford I think the police officers acted irresponsibly and had no respect for for the church or the children that occuppied daycare. I bet if it were on the east side they wouldn't have ran up in there and why didn't they use another method. I'm a law abiding citizen, but I know when an injustice has been done. Posted by: Kim Location: rockford what kind of person would leed the police in to a church/daycare to begin with if he was inocennt. Everyone is so concerned about the actions of the police, but what about the actions of the person who led them there. I commend the Rockford Police Dept. for their actions and their continued protection of Our City. Posted by: William Location: Rockford I feel that this is murder, and that the the police dept, is going to far. there was no need for the second officer to shoot the victim/ And surely it is time for the cheif to realize some officer has problem to the other races.and these two cops need to be punish for the crime Posted by: Dave Location: Rockford Get this officer a desk! He is a loose cannon. Even if he has been in the right, he us giving all local police officers a bad name, plus his actions endanger other officers who may face a scared suspect who is likely to shoot them first. Posted by: Jay I feel very safe with the Rockford Police Dept., however, I am a law abiding citizen. The problem appears to be from persons who believe our laws do not pertain to them. |
